Commencal Releases a 24" DJ Bike For Kids and Updates Ski Range

 With lots of tips on waxing.

 Bet ya love the pinkpole

 @hhaaiirryy: one in the stink...

 @pipomax: straight to the stink … no babies

 Willing to bet a website of that name already exists. Not willing to verify it myself.

 Completely new perspective on a huck to flat/bottom out video.

 @pipomax: Underrated moment from Wyn TV with Jack.

 Normal.
This is the first year production

 @COMMENCALbicycles: That'll explain it. Best of luck in that case.

If your boards go as fast as people say your bikes do, you should be on to a winner!

Also, i loved Andorra. Would love to go again.

 Commencal skis are made by Faction. High quality stuff. Look up some Candide Thovex videos to pump you up for winter.

 @diegosk:

Hello,
the first year only. Since last year we are producing our own skis, with our own shapes and flex.

 @COMMENCALbicycles: What factory are you in? Who is your engineer?

 @COMMENCALbicycles: cool! I was not aware. Always a good sign to see companies taking matters into their own hands.

Still recommend the Candide videos though...

 @diegosk: So much this. I could watch Candide shred all day. Who would you say is his mountain bike equivalent? I've spent more time thinking about that topic, than I probably should have.

 I started my kid with a 12" wheeled balance bike from Kellys, then went to Ramones 14 and now he's on NS Bikes Clash Jr with 20" wheels. What are you planning for the next one?

 @kopaczus: Idk yet. I just get him BMC Blast 20. We have up to 2 years to decide. For now, BMC Blast 24 with aftermarket Air forks doesn't look bad.

 @pakleni: highly recommend the Early Rider Seeker series (have/had mine on the 20" and 24" versions). The spec is very decent and you can still take out some weight when the tyres are done (e.g. a set of 24" Rocket Rons takes another 500g or so off the bike). Also, they have adjusted the pricing recently and I think it's sensible given the relatively high re-sale value.

 @pensamtb: I've heard they fixed that ridiculous standover hight. If that's true, then they should be on the short list

 It's always been their tank wheels and silly plus tires. They have gotten a lot better for 2020. Spank wheels and finally proper crank length. Give them another look. Its the rotational weight that slays kids. Whatever you get...you want as much of the Manitou/Hayes/Sunringle/Protaper stuff as possible. Its nicer than what most of my adult friends ride, literally. And it only gets better every year. That's why we have some Commencal stuff, proper geo and legit suspension. Cheers to them for spec'ing that stuff and continuing to do so. They are doing some sick stuff for kids. This DJ is dope

 God forbid your kids get strong, am I right?

 @fullendurbro: Get strong? Ramones 16 is weighing more than 60% of my son's body mass.

Let's say that you're 90 kgs heavy. How would you feel cranking up the hill a bike thst weights 55 kgs? And no gears. Singlespeed baby!

 Lately? : )

 1k for a single speed hardtail kids bike is affordable now?

 @mi-bike: For a bike actually designed for dirt jumping: yes. As just a regular kids bike, no.

 NS bikes have something which can accept a 24" wheel and a 100mm fork (a 26" Reba makes sense here, reduced to 80mm). Combined with some eBay deals and it seems like a great bike. Waki did one, check out his instagram for more details.

 WOOM Off Air 5 air fork, 10Kg

 The Orbea MX24 range are really good - look just like an adult bike but smaller - long low, maybe not so slack, nice hydroforming. We got a rigid due to the excessive weight of most kids forks. The bike has big volume tyres which make up for it. The age 8-14 range is tricky, as fancy kids bikes cost as much as adult ones, and small cheap adult bikes, as we know, are generally pretty terrible. My daughter has pretty much grown out of her MX24 and I'm really struggling with what next

 @GilesSTurner: Agreed. My kid is on NS Bikes Clash JR 20" and it's a great little bike.

 My middle boy has an NS clash Jr. run it with 26 pikes at 110mm @GilesSTurner:

 Kids bikes are a mine field of screwed up spec. Only a few manufacturers have a whole package but you pay for it. Most have it screwed up. Orbea stuff is still janky in parts of the spec and haven't updated in years, so is everything from the big manufacturers. These are the good bikes with air forks, proper cranks and decent geo and tires: 24". You get what you pay for.

Vitus Nucleus: 540$ (insane value. always sold out. Backend is a bit long)
Rocky Mountain Vertex: 740$?
Norco Charger:740$?
Woom Off Air: 880$ (nice XC hardtail)
Spawn Yama Jama: 1200$
Prevelo Zulu Heir: 1200$ (best geo of all, slacker is so much safer in our experience...WAY less OTB and rides sick at all things, 66hta is legit).
Trailcraft Pineridge: 1500$++ (ultra nice/light XC bike, but crappy they still dont use Manitou yet...prob would do it via a custom build for more money).

Commencal Meta HT 24": I love this bike, its beautiful and more importantly has the Manitou JUnit fork (all my kids ride). But...the wheels are ultra heavy, hot garbage (we have these wheels too...hanging up). You'd have to swap these, no joke. It sucks because the fork is so important so insanely nice. But the wheels are so bad. For a beginner tho, the cheaper air forks will be ok. For any other kid, there is no substitute for Manitou. Good luck finding anything tho, hard these days. FWIW, for new riders...a BMX or DJ is the best way to go and WAAAY cheaper(BMX). Find a 16" Cult Juvenile, Sunday Blueprint, Fit Misfit.

My 8yr is 15ft in air on his ultra nice commencal, but he loves his 16" used 150$ United Recruit BMX almost as much lol.

 @Svinyard: Nice list, super helpful. Worth adding the Vpace Max24 though

 @juanny: Very nice yeah. I'm always missing a few of the euro brands. Nukeproof Scout is nice too (manitou...tho I think the wheels are heavy).

 @Svinyard: ooh, good list. Wasn't aware of the nucleus 24". The others are quite pricey for something that'll get grown out of in 2 years. And sadly, unless it's an islabike, second hand kids bikes don't hold their value. Certainly not round here anyway

 @mountainsofsussex: It's hard to say if you haven't sold a nice kids MTB. A crappy Spesh Riprock won't hold any value. However most decent kids bikes (air fork hardtail) will net around 65%-75% in value after two years. MUCH better than any adult bike. Now its hard to see because these bikes often never hit the market. I have people lined up years out for our bikes...its weird. So with that in mind, kids bikes are more of a rental than an ownership unless you have multiple kids. Run a cost of ownership calc on 800$ kids bike and it nets out to around 120-140$ a year for two years for a sweet bike. Unfortunately that's peanuts in the MTB world. Most guys spend that in tires and sealant alone. Again, if kids are newer to the sport...I'm HUGE fan of BMX freestyle bikes for kids. They are way cheaper and absolutely require proper riding position and skill. No BS sitting and pedaling around on an Isla road bike (their highend hardtail was sick). As my kids say "Sittings for old people...and crashing". The BMX fixes that quick for kids and turns them into skilled pilots.

 Did you check out the Big White Grom Slopestyle? That should answer your question. When we went 24 we sold off the 20 hardtail and my kid misses it. Got him an 18 bmx to replace it and he can ride 26 dj so thinking 24's on the DJ temporarily if needed. Got it pretty covered with 24 DH and HT, 18 bmx, 26 DJ is waiting for him. Only problem now is his current obsession is tricks at the trampoline park, sticking double twisting back flips, and I'm nervous about him wanting to try this stuff on the bike. Still need to find a tramp bike.

 @dirtpedaler: How big is your kid? My 4'6" kid is great on his 24" FS bike and still has another year of it. I'm sure the 24" DJ here has a more compact frame than a 24 MTB but I want to keep his trick game easy and not just get him floating over big ramps, he's got that down well for now.

I saw Big White but hard to see the height of kids and so many of those older kids are tiny. Gets confusing. Good luck on the Tramp bike lol. The one company that made a sick one is out of business. Time to get the duck tape and foam out (we are going this route). Safer to tramp bike than slaying big on the trail at least.

 @Svinyard: I have one of those tiny kids, he's 10 and maybe 4'4" if you include his hair. I was really surprised to see those kids going big on 20" DJ bikes. Honestly I do get concerned about potential consequences to young childrens bones/bodies from hard impact landings.

 @Svinyard: my small sparrow weight 8yo (#2) is on a small 24" vpace Danny. He's not got a freestyle BMX background so no 369s etc but it's super light and he can move it about super easy.
There's nothing lighter out there off the shelf but my 10yr olds frame up custom spawn kotori v1 24 is lighter...but bigger due to the Durin SL and crest wheels.
Chromag may have a 20"dj coming. Heavy though.

 Me too. I’d love to ride that bad boy down to the pub!

 An ex-pro freeride buddy I know has a rigid 24" DJ that he slays on. He freaking loves that thing. Its more versatile for mortals not sending huge lines. It works really well at BMX parks as well. I wonder what a 24" BMX cruiser would look like with a 24" fork lol.

 Check out the DMR Sect 24

 It's by far better for kids development than just bumping down the trails. This why the BMX kids are so dang good. Their program is strong and entirely dev focused rather than general trail riding.

 The other comparable bikes out there are the Spawn Kotori 24 and Norco Rampage 24 1 and those are $1400 and $1500, respectively. Yeah, it's a lot more than a BMX, but it's priced very well compared to other bikes in this category

 It's pronounced snow-mo-bile

 Australia has had eskis since the early 1950s.